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Fifteen years ago, I was invited to be interviewed by Amanda de Cadenet and Demi Moore for their TV show, The Conversation. I was so excited to be asked to be part of a series that was bringing on major celebrities like Lady Gaga, especially at that point in my career.

It was a BIG deal, and everything was going great—until the middle of the interview. Amanda asked me a question … and I completely bombed.

I said the most f***ed-up thing. I remember feeling so much shame

She never aired the interview, and I’m so thankful for that. 

This episode of Dear Gabby is the first time we speak about that moment live.

Click here to listen to what happened that day. 

Dear Gabby: The Spiritual Journey of Long-Term Recovery

the truth about long-term recovery

When I think back to the woman sitting there 15 years ago in a place of total dissociation, I realize she was exactly where she needed to be. If she had known any more or had pushed any further, it would have blown her out.

Here’s what I want you to know:

today, you are exactly where you need to be

Trust that your recovery is happening at the right pace and open up to whatever support you need now.

The long-term recovery and the momentum Amanda created around her spiritual and sober condition were like a pillow she fell into and returned to at the right time.

Your next level of recovery will become available to you if you hold onto that curiosity and willingness to grow. It may take different forms—12-step recovery, online programs, support from the right people—but it will be there at the right time. 

That’s the beauty of the journey.

Even in the midst of a crisis, years after she got sober, it was Amanda’s long-term recovery journey that kept her moving forward, she said. 

The invitation to continue to grow will keep presenting itself. If you have the willingness to heal and the curiosity to grow, you have to continue to nurture that part of yourself, no matter what anybody else says.

This frank, honest, deep conversation between spiritual sisters on a journey toward long-term personal growth has so much to offer anyone on a healing path. 

following your path

In our conversation, Amanda shares beautiful insights on: 

  • Sobriety and long-term recovery 
  • Navigating grief and loss
  • Nurturing relationships with like-minded people

Our talk was a powerful reminder that sometimes our most challenging moments are our greatest opportunities to deepen our spiritual connection.

Here’s what she had to say about the journey toward healing:

Life continues to crack me open. In those moments, I am faced with turning away from my recovery or leaning into it even harder, with more commitment.

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The following are helpful resources and books I mention in the episode. 

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This podcast is intended to educate, inspire, and support you on your personal journey towards inner peace. I am not a psychologist or a medical doctor and do not offer any professional health or medical advice. If you are suffering from any psychological or medical conditions, please seek help from a qualified health professional.